tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3452007250221117551.post1740911976061284105..comments2024-03-19T09:03:49.770+05:30Comments on Shobhaa De: Why make Antulay the villain...??Shobhaa Dehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05610708004901279105noreply@blogger.comBlogger68125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3452007250221117551.post-7911172531829355122020-09-04T08:11:45.889+05:302020-09-04T08:11:45.889+05:30I am grateful to the owner of this site which real...I am grateful to the owner of this site which really shares this wonderful work of this site.That is actually great and useful information.I am satisfied with just sharing this useful information with us. Please keep it up to date like this.Thank you for sharing..<br /><a href="http://www.escortservices24x7.com/" rel="nofollow">Independent escorts service in Surat</a>Gisele Fordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04714323836802879136noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3452007250221117551.post-58500604797205279742009-01-30T14:14:00.000+05:302009-01-30T14:14:00.000+05:30What pains me is that people completely unrelated ...What pains me is that people completely unrelated to his line of work are saying things like why were three top cops together ?and that it was a dumb ass thing to do!<BR/><BR/>What the hell do you know what was professional and what was not? I do not even want to defend Mr. Karkare people who are just plain simple barking dogs! He died in the line of duty ,he had the guts to go out there. I salute his exemplary bravery and there are a lot of people who feel the same and have expressed it in a hundred different ways. I cannot shut the mouths of people who crib at every occasion and cannot even spare something like this. But even I have a voice.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3452007250221117551.post-47773336990591041592008-12-31T16:22:00.000+05:302008-12-31T16:22:00.000+05:30"Get well Soon""Get well Soon"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3452007250221117551.post-89629542018112109372008-12-23T13:19:00.000+05:302008-12-23T13:19:00.000+05:30The Home Minister made a statement in Parliament a...The Home Minister made a statement in Parliament about the circumstances of Karkare's death.<BR/>Antulay now says "all his doubts have been cleared". WITHOUT an inquiry/probe! How come he is now satisfied?! Perhaps his kursi was threatened and he suddenly sees the light?<BR/>Also during a press conference outside Parliament a few minutes ago, he went into classic defense-offense mode refusing to allow his quotes (seen on TV) to be read back to him claiming he was not in the dock to be questioned.<BR/>This whole episode reeks of dirty communal politics by him and by the Congress "High Command".<BR/><BR/>The 2 Pakistani terrorists used sweeping fire from Kalashnikovs to kill these 3 officers and some more people in that Qualis from a short distance. They did not need to have Abhinav Bindra's skills.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3452007250221117551.post-5080463110384280882008-12-22T15:06:00.000+05:302008-12-22T15:06:00.000+05:30we have been far too emotional... while we salute ...we have been far too emotional...<BR/><BR/><BR/> while we salute the officers for the good work they have done, as a mark of respect we need to investigate all possible causes of their death. And at this difficult time, no neta or abhineta would pass a comment of this kind if it was baseless. <BR/><BR/>were the terrorists abhinav bhindra? such sharp shooters that they could shoot from behind the trees in our college compound to a speeding vehicle next to metro adlabs? <BR/><BR/>There are some people who are somewhat making this a hindu muslim issue like our other alumni Shabana. I saw in we the people... she must have said "indian muslim" around 5 times in a 2-3 minute eeny-meeny discussion with Barkha in we the people. Would any political party be foolish to suffer foot-in-mouth. And certainly not a seasoned guy like antulay. <BR/><BR/>Let there be a probe. The martyrs deserve that. Their families should infact demand a probe.Harishhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12609011423304441643noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3452007250221117551.post-68852687287201150852008-12-21T10:24:00.000+05:302008-12-21T10:24:00.000+05:30The manner in which Mr Karkarev laid down his life...The manner in which Mr Karkarev laid down his life battling the terrorists has made him a hero for us who no celluloid hero can match.<BR/><BR/>However, if there is any scope for doubt that somebody may have set him up, that needs to be investigated. The lives of officers like this are precious to the nation, and we should not have a tragedy like this repeated.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3452007250221117551.post-48954232008725540622008-12-21T05:06:00.000+05:302008-12-21T05:06:00.000+05:30What does ministers like Antuley are aiming to ach...What does ministers like Antuley are aiming to achieve by questioning the circumstances under which ATS chief Mr. Karkare died?<BR/><BR/>Our brave soldiers lay their lives in the service of country and these politicians are busy insulting their sacrifices.What does one aim to achieve by questioning "the circumstances under which ATS chief Mr. Karkare died" or "the Batla house encounter" where one of Delhi's police most decorated officer Inspector Sharma lost his life.Vivekhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13656312727451027141noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3452007250221117551.post-45817203825081170532008-12-20T17:40:00.000+05:302008-12-20T17:40:00.000+05:30@Anonymous26/11 when I heard and saw on tell the g...@Anonymous<BR/><BR/>26/11 when I heard and saw on tell the gunning of these officer suddenly the same thought crept into my mind and conveyed it and was chided for my wild imagination today I feel somewhat relieved that I am ok and a normal person and not a freak as my folks at home think<BR/><BR/>Why this suspicion mate? That means you don't think of right things. You don't feel secure.<BR/>The very fact you are sitting cosily at your home(or some where else) writing this stuff, signifies that you are in no way directly affected by such incidents and it's your suspicion towards the other community which is speaking on behalf of you.<BR/>You have a lot to introspect my friend. Just heed to what I am saying. You have chances to have a rendezvous with your moment of truth.<BR/><BR/>Jai HindAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08550461043516301665noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3452007250221117551.post-33246890406689146812008-12-20T17:02:00.000+05:302008-12-20T17:02:00.000+05:30Hi Shobhaa,While it's good to see you raising ques...Hi Shobhaa,<BR/>While it's good to see you raising questions against those questioning Antulay, it's astonishing to see you missing the statements of the lone survivor in that attack. Yes, I am talking about Constable Arun Jadhav, who was with the officers in that Van. They had received info that Sadanand Date had been injured in the gunfire at Cama hospital. All of them took a Toyota Qualis and proceeded in that direction.<BR/>Moreover, the lone terrorist to be nabbed alive has also confessed to murdering him.<BR/>Sometimes I feel being born as someone belonging to the so-called "majority" community is a big curse for all of us. Why do we need to bring this issue every time?<BR/>When NGOs and politicians run behind causes which are supposed to bring in a few brownie points from Muslims, they are proclaimed to be champions of their cause and ultimate secularists. When we talk of Hindus, we are branded as "communalists".<BR/>I know you won't believe this, but I have seen educated Muslims, who in my opinion don't know what it feels to be alienated(if in case they feel this is what is happening with them in this country), falling for such baits. And in times, when we expect the educated lot to rise up and condemn the motive of terrorists. What is it which they are lacking in this country that they listen to those who talk only about them? Why is that most of them fail to introspect when it is required the most? Why do they have to look with suspicion towards others? This is their country as well and should be ready to share the blame. Why should we treat them as minority and us as majority? We all are Indians first and should get over petty politics. Don't you think Antulay would have realized what repercussions his statements would have in these times? If you can recall an appropriate term to address such people, it's my earnest request, please do let me know!<BR/>There are castes within the Hindu community who have been alienated for so long. If a Dalit comes and sits under your porch, you have the earth over there excavated! Have you ever heard them taking to bombs and reckless killing.<BR/>And people talk about ideologies. To hell with it!! Terrorists coming here and killing innocents can't claim to have any ideology. And if they are adamant, then it's bullshit!(Even cow dung is considered to be sacred) Don't they recognize planting of random bombs and reckless gunfire doesn't distinguish between a Hindu or a muslim soul. And they have supporters here in our country!! Who are they fooling around with. That's outrageous. They come here and kill innocents, and in public networking sites I find people justifying that by saying that it's just a revenge for Babri Masjid demolition, Godhra etc.<BR/>My first question to all of them is: Who are these terrorists to demand such answers? It has happened within the limits of our country and we will solve it internally. No body even seems to blink an eye at the plight of Kashmiri Hindus, how they were forced out of their homes and had to go through genocide, infiltration through Bangla borders etc. Does that mean that we Hindus should also start planting Bombs and start killing innocents? Why has the rationale thinking gone into a hiding?<BR/>I would like to believe that wisdom dawns on these leaders. Sooner, the better. For them!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08550461043516301665noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3452007250221117551.post-9932738836681106802008-12-20T14:06:00.000+05:302008-12-20T14:06:00.000+05:30"If you would have quit after 1st bomb blast on yo..."If you would have quit after 1st bomb blast on your "watch" you would be tooted as a quitter and coward... and what not ... "<BR/>...<BR/>"So you don't get full marks as a wannabe politican sorry hehe"<BR/><BR/>Lal Bahadur Shastry resigned as Railway Minister taking responsibility for an accident.<BR/>Madhavrao Scindia followed the same example.<BR/>The first went on to become a much loved - though unfortunately short-tenured - PM.<BR/>The second was looked up to as being a possible contender for PM in the future.<BR/><BR/>Not every quitter is a coward.<BR/>And these were seasoned politicians - one who came up thru the ranks during the freedom struggle and the other who proved his worth though he got a jump start courtesy the accident of birth.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3452007250221117551.post-69759776791506464012008-12-20T12:22:00.000+05:302008-12-20T12:22:00.000+05:30Hi Guys!Just wanted to send in a quick update- Ind...Hi Guys!<BR/>Just wanted to send in a quick update- India's First book on corporate blogging written by top CEO blogger Rajeev Karwal and social media researcher Preeti Chaturvedi titled "Corporate Blogging in India" was launched at the Oxford Bookstore in Delhi on the 10th of Dec. A hardback version of the book, priced at Rs 345 is available at all leading bookstores. We have created a blog for the same at Corporate Blogging in India. If you don't find a copy at some bookstore, please order the same through our website www.wisdomtreeindia.comIndian By Choicehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00648960027233662405noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3452007250221117551.post-73088072734325535722008-12-20T11:24:00.000+05:302008-12-20T11:24:00.000+05:30hii this is not an artical this is not any cooment...hii this is not an artical this is not any cooments on my fav shobhaa de's wrting,<BR/>this da first time that i am sahring my feelings with someone i never do it b4 but dis time i dont know i am strongly feeling to write or u can say SHEARing with u guys.......<BR/>I was allways been SOMETIMEs unwanted child at my home sorry to say dta but i felt so<BR/>coz of my staright4wordness or could be coz of my DIFFRENT Point of views,,<BR/>for myself , for world, for ppl wo love me wo hate me,Vikranthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08426159821666111132noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3452007250221117551.post-51442605844023554562008-12-19T20:35:00.000+05:302008-12-19T20:35:00.000+05:30I like it how people on here are selectively imper...I like it how people on here are selectively impervious to media findings, and at the same time believe that the media is biased.<BR/><BR/>This only goes to show how the human mind will believe in what it choses to or wants to believe in. End of story... no amounts of media inputs, good politcians or bad politicians can change what we really are. Face it people.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3452007250221117551.post-52259658838827702132008-12-19T19:23:00.000+05:302008-12-19T19:23:00.000+05:30http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/India/Antulays_...http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/India/Antulays_allegation_not_borne_out_by_facts/articleshow/3860037.cms<BR/><BR/>Perhaps people would like to take a look at this.<BR/><BR/>I realise that it is only a press investigation and not the real thing, but it is a start for some thought about circumstantial evidence of what happened to Karkare and CO.<BR/><BR/>Twisted Elegance, I agree with you about Antulay reacting to the new Amendment debate. Whether he was doing it JUST for his own gain or because he thought he was helping the Party cause, is debateable but he certainly was trying to justify his job to Madam. In any case, I dont think HIB appreciates his "help" at all.<BR/><BR/>As Minorities Minister, Antulay could put forth his own opposition to any draconian new amendment that can cause Minorities to be unfairly targeted but sensationalising it like this, smacks of self interest.Another Kiran In NYChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15949641865013106368noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3452007250221117551.post-44050918380129969762008-12-19T16:15:00.000+05:302008-12-19T16:15:00.000+05:30Dear Shobha De,I agree with the apprehension of Ar...Dear Shobha De,<BR/>I agree with the apprehension of Arjun. Be careful.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3452007250221117551.post-41805568189484859552008-12-19T16:12:00.000+05:302008-12-19T16:12:00.000+05:30The questions raised by Antulay are relevant and i...The questions raised by Antulay are relevant and important as far as justice is concerned.<BR/>Let us search answers for those questions. What are the circumstances which led Karkare to the death trap? Who is the mastermind? Who are beneficiaries from the death of Karkarre? The nation awaits an answer.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3452007250221117551.post-73908278899451200362008-12-19T14:53:00.000+05:302008-12-19T14:53:00.000+05:30Hello Guys ! There is a reason why people are "hyp...Hello Guys ! There is a reason why people are "hyperventilating". Antulay, a MINISTER FOR THE UNION OF INDIA ought to have raised this issue in the Cabinet Meetings that have been held almost since the attacks. For a Union Minister to raise doubts in public shows a complete disregard to the sanctity of the Cabinet. If he wanted karkare's death to be investigated, he ought to have forced the issue at a cabinet meeting . loose talk such as this can only communalise an issue. Thanks to antulay, karkare's family will always wonder who killed him as antulay has succeeded in closing a probe even before it has begun. Please, lets have a retirement age for Cabinet Memberships !Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3452007250221117551.post-89121100548715684082008-12-19T14:24:00.000+05:302008-12-19T14:24:00.000+05:30Coincidences happen; war is full of them.Stupid bl...Coincidences happen; war is full of them.Stupid blunders by experienced people have happened so often there's no shortage of them. I would not put the killings of Karkare, Salaskar (a real nasty piece of goods there; good riddance to <I>him</I>,methinks) and Kamte (why no mention of ,<I>him</I>, let alone the cannon-fodder constables killed?) as anything more than the deserved reward of stupidity so profound that they should not by any stretch of the imagination be called heroes.<BR/><BR/>What the hell was Karkare doing in the firing line anyway? Whether his helmet or bulletproof vest was junk is beside the point. He was the commander. Especially in the context of a system like India's, where the average individual soldier or policeman is neither trained nor encouraged to use the slightest bit of initiative, the commander is all-important. Karkare should have remained in a position where he could co-ordinate things and oversee opeartions. Putting himself in the firing line was a piece of idiocy so profound he should have been dismissed from his post them and there.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3452007250221117551.post-1388226687530629152008-12-19T13:44:00.000+05:302008-12-19T13:44:00.000+05:30Agree with you totally Shobhaa. In fact that was t...Agree with you totally Shobhaa. In fact that was the first reaction when I heard the news as it was from a lot of people I know. His questions are pertinent. It is time the administration answered themhonestinjunhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09163817829769420892noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3452007250221117551.post-69987587869704566022008-12-19T13:22:00.000+05:302008-12-19T13:22:00.000+05:30Hi Shobha, tough is ur stand and tough is mine as ...Hi Shobha, tough is ur stand and tough is mine as well.. I wonder how our styles differ? <BR/><BR/>Written a few things,including u.<BR/>If u get time off,have a looksee..<BR/><BR/>http://takeuplaces.blogspot.com/2008/12/mighty-lion-and-cunning-mouse.html#links<BR/><BR/>and my latest..<BR/><BR/>http://takeuplaces.blogspot.com/2008/12/masood-azhar-invisible-man.html#links<BR/><BR/>Wud appreciate a comment if u do get some time to do so.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3452007250221117551.post-25922176573202448642008-12-19T12:23:00.000+05:302008-12-19T12:23:00.000+05:30The terrorist who was arrested has himself confess...The terrorist who was arrested has himself confessed that he along with his mate killed the ATS chief. And the phone call between the terrorists and their mentors that was intercepted clearly indicates this. The terrorists said that they have got a bonus by killing Kharkare. <BR/><BR/>I say this is a foul and dirty trick by the entire congress party. They were afraid of losing the muslim votebank for introducing the amendments to the Unlawful activities prevention Act. So in order to neutralize the ill effects of the amendments on the muslim community they have suddenly put up this conspiracy theory so that the muslims might feel that congress is being good to them! What better way to earn Muslim votes than by bashing Hindus..<BR/><BR/>Antulay is just a pawn of Sonia Ghandhi in this game!Sruthisagar Yamunanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05664620501904863876noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3452007250221117551.post-57151067738095662332008-12-19T11:44:00.000+05:302008-12-19T11:44:00.000+05:30Dear shobhaa. Thanks for the essay on why the indi...Dear shobhaa. Thanks for the essay on why the indian investigating agencies should stop looking for people who assisted the terrorists or the "two pakistani strangers" .. Madam its my view that there is always a chance that what antulay said is true but. Just as long the minister has stayed in politics, these policemen had more experience in tackling terror . Just as they had investigated malegaon attacks they had also been there defending mumbai in 92 also..so should the saffron party now come up that every terrorist killing a officer investigating a muslim criminal is a muslim? How fair would that be on muslims? Have there policemen not killed muslim criminals in the several encounters they had done in years. I'm only saying that criminals are criminals don't give them any religious colour and don't undermine the experience of these terrorists too. For god's sake they had engaged the elite nsg for 60 hours.they were obviously better shooters than our policemen who couldn't defend themselves from the ak47 bullets with 6 round revolvers..its easier for encounter specialists to kill when the victim to be is helpless not quite when he has a ak 47. Thanks for doing the pakistani media and politicians the favour. And also next time please do not support theories that do not have sufficient proofs. I know its very difficult for an arm chair journalist to stop doing.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01477968933230083623noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3452007250221117551.post-90339285715487329422008-12-19T11:11:00.000+05:302008-12-19T11:11:00.000+05:30If you would have quit after 1st bomb blast on you...If you would have quit after 1st bomb blast on your "watch" you would be tooted as a quitter and coward... and what not ... <BR/><BR/>I dont think I would quit after the 1st bomb blast, but rather learn what went wrong and what actions need to be taken for the future. <BR/><BR/>So you don't get full marks as a wannabe politican sorry heheAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3452007250221117551.post-81143773907834850972008-12-19T10:59:00.000+05:302008-12-19T10:59:00.000+05:30Easier said than done my friend... trust me ;) It ...Easier said than done my friend... trust me ;) <BR/><BR/>It is very easy to furnish an angle to make even a righteous man look like a villain. Continuous accusations, criticism, time in the limelight etc. make people lose their nerves and impairs their judgements at times too you know... You could very easily have fallen that same dusty trail if you were one of them. As i said before, Easier said than done. <BR/><BR/>But let me give you the benefit of the doubt and say if you become a great leader, remember your words and let your actions speak.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3452007250221117551.post-69007751499902817752008-12-19T10:09:00.000+05:302008-12-19T10:09:00.000+05:30@Anonymous of the 9:57 am post:I am not going to g...@Anonymous of the 9:57 am post:<BR/><BR/>I am not going to give Antulay the benefit of the doubt - given his history of the last 30+ years and especially his stint as the CM of Maharashtra.<BR/><BR/>I will admit that on Wed 26th night, when I saw on TV that the three officers were killed and then saw Ajmal's photo with the red thread on his right hand I had questions about circumstances of the death of these three officers too.<BR/><BR/>I just pointed out that the TOI Mumbai edition HAS provided information including names of eyewitnesses. He cannot raise questions without providing supporting evidence.<BR/><BR/>I also wouldn't go so far as to assume that all the civilians are as communal as the politicians. Some of us are truly secular.<BR/><BR/>I KNOW how I would act if I were in Antulay's shoes - or for that matter of S Patil (would have quit after the 1st bomb blast on my watch), V Deshmukh (would never have taken my son or his buddy to the Taj and Oberoi), R R Patil (would have spoken in Marathi if I didnt know Hindi), Naqvi (wouldnt have even gone there) and so on.<BR/><BR/>I wouldn't go so far as to judge virtual personae - "Its very convenient for us to bash them and pretend all righteous."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com